Posts by Newly Enlightened

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Not the mama! Not the mama! Not the mama!

by sd-7 in

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friends

the remnant of the anointed members of christs body are likewise not the mother of the other sheep class of today, and it would not be right for the other sheep to address the remnant as either father or mother in a spiritual sense.

***w50 9/15 p.326 gods blessed family***.

themotherorganization.

Newly Enlightened

The 2012 Convention was not the first time they have said the org. is our spiritual mother and that the bible diesn't shine forth life-giving truths by itself:

57W 5/1 pg 274:

Because they do not also have the teaching or law of the mother, which is light. Jehovah God has provided his holy written Word for all mankind and it contains all the information that is needed for men in taking a course leading to life. But God has not arranged for that Word to speak independently or to shine forth life-giving truths by itself. His Word says: “Light is sown for the righteous.” (Ps. 97:11) It is through his organization that God provides this light that the proverb says is the teaching or law of the mother. If we are to walk in the light of truth we must recognize not only Jehovah God as our Father but his organization as our mother.

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Where is this LOVE that is being "preached about"??

by lostinnj83 in

the only display of love that i have experienced is from non-jw's!!!!!

the people we have been warned so much to stay away from them are the only ones that have been supportive and loving towards me in my darkest moments.. .

what really gets me is how they can bring themselves to show "love" to someone who has committed heinous crimes like molesting children but will be downright hateful to people who have become better and happier people since they have left the organization!!!.

Newly Enlightened

I know what you mean. 11 yrs ago, I was chemically poisoned while working in a dry-cleaners and it burned the lining of my lungs. So now, I have chemical sensitivities so bad that I cannot go into a KH or convention because of the overwhelming dry cleaned clothes and perfumes.

I'm not trying to get sympathy or make it sound like I'm sicker than anyone, but just to make the point that after that, I was told by even my OWN family members that it didn't matter how bad of an asthma attack I got at the meetings, that if I didn't go I would die at armegeddon. Even if I DIED while having an attack at the KH, then Jehovah would ressurect [I know I slaughtered the spelling] me into the new system because I died following HIS rules. But since I chose to wimp out and stay away, they considered me inactive, rebellous, you name it. But even before I got sick we did not see the LOVE.

Sorry, self preservation is pretty strong and I have a family to take care of.

In 2000, we decided to move out of the congregation we had been in for 23 yrs to another state. The last Saturday before we were leaving. After our BSO conducted the field service meeting and was asking about plans, my husband raised his hand and said that this was going to be our last day for service in that congregation and we would love to work with anyone for the last time. Everyone just sat there looking around. We were told we would have to work by ourselves because everyone else said they had plans. Driving out the KH parking lot, my husband says "Aw screw it, lets go home and pack!"

Yeah, I feel the love for the past 49 yrs!!!!

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Misquotes, Lies and deception in Watchtower Publications

by jwfacts in

i have just finished an article misquotes, deception and lies and would like your comments, proof reading, and any other examples that you think are important to add.

most of these already appear on jwfacts.com within specific articles, but it is more powerful seeing them included together.

there have also been a number of requests over the years for such a collection.

Newly Enlightened

Hi JWFacts; LOVE your article. Here is something I posted a few days ago on the 'JW Stumpers' topic that you might find interesting:

Here's a stumper my husband & I just came across.... If you look in the front of your NWT at when the books of the bible were written, Ezekiel FINISHED writing his prophecies in 591 bce. If you use WTBT$ date of 607 B.C.E, then that means he was NOT a prophet, but simply writing history down that Jerusalem HAD been destroyed. It's a catch-22, either he was a prophet and finished his writings BEFORE the destruction of Jerusalem [which would make it after 591 B.C.E] or he's a false prophet and was just writing history after the fact. HUMMMMMMMM In the following article from the WT, the prophecies had been written and distributed to the public. another HMMMMMMM

From the 56/WT 3/1 pg 146 pp7:

Finally 2,562 years ago the Davidic dynasty became dormant when King Zedekiah was deposed and the throne was declared unoccupied in 607 B.C. By this time all the prophecy of Isaiah and most of the communications through Ezekiel and Jeremiah and some of the minor prophets had been proclaimed and released for public distribution. This flood of prophetic truths pertained to the fall and restoration of Jerusalem and was spiritual food indeed for the minds and hearts of the faithful minority of Israel. While these prophecies had their miniature fulfillments upon fleshly Israel, yet longer shadows were cast of good to be fulfilled in later times to a far more glorious spiritual Israel of God. Then through the prophet Daniel came heavenly prophetic truths concerning the rise and fall of the Gentile kingdoms leading to the time when the New World kingdom of Messiah would appear on the global scene to break in pieces and consume all these old-world kingdoms. In victorious vindication this kingdom would stand forever. Then 2,397 years ago the last of the Hebrew Scriptures was written, Malachi’s prophecy, setting forth truths as to Jehovah’s coming to the temple for judgment in company with His “angel of the covenant” to arrange for a cleansed priesthood to lead in pure worship for the new world.—Ezek. 21:27; Gal. 6:16; Mal. 3:1,

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Da.

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Discussion with family member who is an Elder in our congregation

by Newly Enlightened in

so about a week ago, i showed my cousin & her husband [an elder in our congregation] the picture on pg 29 of our 4/15/2013 study wt and asked, "if jesus is head of the congregation then where is he?".

after several minutes of searching, dead silence.. i then asked if they had heard the part on the 2012 summer district conv the part about "our spiritual mother, where the c.o said that "the bible by itself does not shine thru as life-giving truths just by itself.

" they were shocked and said that i must have misheard it because that would be apostasy.

Newly Enlightened

Well it's been a week and no letters or phone calls yet. I know he won't stop & think of anything I said.

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I haven't seen this persecution on JW.org

by Newly Enlightened in

http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=1792.

this makes me so mad because they're appealing to this forum18/osce [u.n.] to get their religious freedom, but look what they do to their own people.. i just got an e-mail from a friend [current jw] he said they're 'softening to a kinder gentler wtbt$' really????

obviously they haven't told the all the other jw's because we're still being shunned and called nasty mentally diseased apostates.

Newly Enlightened

Then if you really want to try and think about the WTBT$ mental state, read this gem:

http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/not-a-sect/

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I haven't seen this persecution on JW.org

by Newly Enlightened in

http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=1792.

this makes me so mad because they're appealing to this forum18/osce [u.n.] to get their religious freedom, but look what they do to their own people.. i just got an e-mail from a friend [current jw] he said they're 'softening to a kinder gentler wtbt$' really????

obviously they haven't told the all the other jw's because we're still being shunned and called nasty mentally diseased apostates.

Newly Enlightened

http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=1792

This makes me so mad because they're appealing to this Forum18/OSCE [U.N.] to get their religious freedom, but look what they do to their own people.

I just got an e-mail from a friend [current JW] he said they're 'softening to a kinder gentler WTBT$' REALLY???? obviously they haven't told the all the other JW's because we're still being shunned and called nasty mentally diseased apostates

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A couple of Jehovah Witness stumpers! Add some if you like

by TheNurseInBlack in

these are some questions that i ask the jehovah witnesses.

i hope you find them useful .

disclaimer: these are questions i found on the iternet and from other sources of research.

Newly Enlightened

Thank you. My husband & I were watching a documentary about 'The Prophets' from the History channel and they mentioned that Ezekiel started writing his prophecies in 593 B.C.E, so we looked it up in the NWT. They say he was writing from 613-591 bce. They had to change the date to make it before 607bce, but they don't realize that it still leaves a thinking person to question that if he completed his writings according to that WT and distributed it out to the general public then the writings had to be COMPLETED before the destruction.

Just a thought.

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Whacky comments! What the craziest comment you've ever heard?

by toweragent in

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friends

last week a sister in my new hall made the following comment,.

"a brother once told me that it is better to be wrong with the organization, than to be right and be on your own without the organization.".

wow.

Newly Enlightened

I just saw this one on another thread and am still scratching my head over this one:

This week the CO said that when u don't get up for service there's an angel standing by your bed who goes back to Jesus and says "I wanted to go out in service but he wouldn't get up". This was part of his talk where he said the angels want to serve God and go out in service but the only way they can is by following us around while we do it. They NEED the publishers to take them out in service.

How's that for more guilt and pressure?

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Gentile Times Reconsidered PDF free from publisher

by wannabefree in

i just discovered this today, perhaps it has already been discussed, so forgive me if this is a repeat.. this is on carl olof jonsson's website, not an illegal download.. gentile times reconsidered 4th edition.

http://kristenfrihet.se/english/gtr4/contents.htm [link replaced after wannabefree checked the copyright - lady lee].

Newly Enlightened

Now, Now kids, play nice. Here is a website where you can read it for free, but if you want to download you have to pay for it.http://www.scribd.com/doc/40379838/The-Gentile-Times-Reconsidered

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A couple of Jehovah Witness stumpers! Add some if you like

by TheNurseInBlack in

these are some questions that i ask the jehovah witnesses.

i hope you find them useful .

disclaimer: these are questions i found on the iternet and from other sources of research.

Newly Enlightened

Here's a stumper my husband & I just came across.... If you look in the front of your NWT at when the books of the bible were written, Ezekiel FINISHED writing his prophecies in 591 bce. If you use WTBT$ date of 607 B.C.E, then that means he was NOT a prophet, but simply writing history down that Jerusalem HAD been destroyed. It's a catch-22, either he was a prophet and finished his writings BEFORE the destruction of Jerusalem [which would make it after 591 B.C.E] or he's a false prophet and was just writing history after the fact. HUMMMMMMMM In the following article from the WT, the prophecies had been written and distributed to the public. another HMMMMMMM

From the 56/WT 3/1 pg 146 pp7:

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Finally 2,562 years ago the Davidic dynasty became dormant when King Zedekiah was deposed and the throne was declared unoccupied in 607 B.C. By this time all the prophecy of Isaiah and most of the communications through Ezekiel and Jeremiah and some of the minor prophets had been proclaimed and released for public distribution. This flood of prophetic truths pertained to the fall and restoration of Jerusalem and was spiritual food indeed for the minds and hearts of the faithful minority of Israel. While these prophecies had their miniature fulfillments upon fleshly Israel, yet longer shadows were cast of good to be fulfilled in later times to a far more glorious spiritual Israel of God. Then through the prophet Daniel came heavenly prophetic truths concerning the rise and fall of the Gentile kingdoms leading to the time when the New World kingdom of Messiah would appear on the global scene to break in pieces and consume all these old-world kingdoms. In victorious vindication this kingdom would stand forever. Then 2,397 years ago the last of the Hebrew Scriptures was written, Malachi’s prophecy, setting forth truths as to Jehovah’s coming to the temple for judgment in company with His “angel of the covenant” to arrange for a cleansed priesthood to lead in pure worship for the new world.—Ezek. 21:27; Gal. 6:16; Mal. 3:1,

Da.

You decide.